Deserrick wrote: »

Right. Some of the quotes in the first post advertise that it is possible to solo, with optional grouping to make it easier. This is different from how group activities like trials are advertised:

Because you can run around solo and do some of the content there?

You can do a lot of the dailies and progress without a group, if you avoid mobs and don't go near bosses.
Which you can do if you follow another group of players while you're "solo".

Trials, for the most part, you need to be in a group to do them.

Personally, I don't feel used when I group up with players. I feel like I'm doing something fun with other players. I love that there is no pressure. Most of the time when we kill a boss folks are high-fiving each other.

The Night Market may be creating some division on the forums, but it is bringing players together in the game. I'll take the latter.

Lets go for the best thing to all those who are entering NM. There are absolutely no gear or champion point requirements in groups. If you are new or like me occassional pve player there is someome who takes you in group. I have never ever really felt being part of the pve player base. Pvp has been my thing.

I have no idea of who these hard core solo players are who complain here. Where are they usually?

My only serious feedback, which I may re-post periodically, is that the Night Market does not fit the vibe of its namesake. These are a few I have personally encountered around the world. It would be thematically appropriate for players to be able to purchase harvestable materials (columbine, dragon blood, dragon rheum) overland set pieces from all across the continent (or at least from daedric zones), parse food, combat food, drinks, furnishings, and all manner of other items from rows upon rows of stalls somewhere in the event zone. That is the essence of a night market.

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The group finder doesn't function because players don't use it.

This is not true. Group Finder groups for trials regularly fill. Group Finder groups for Night Market fill within 60 seconds.

shadoza wrote: »

The Night Market is forced group content. (Forced because it is NOT doable solo.)

This is also not true. You can teleport to someone in a busy instance if you want to zerg. Unless you meant multi-player content, as you would be following around other players. If you meant multi-player content, I agree that is what it is.

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Without the CP points and the dungeon gears, a player does not have a chance at participating.

And this is absolutely not true. I have been playing with CP 100 or level 12 characters quite often. They are very clearly participating.

If a player does not have CP close to cap and dungeon gear they are not going to live long. Maybe they can survive if they follow a large group and pretend to participate. But they will not be working the Night Market without CP and dungeon gear. (include dungeon pots with gear)

The reality is that there is a huge gap between players that dungeon and players that don't. That gap is caused by power creeps that are generated by dungeon gear, pots, special items.

This is simply not true. I actually started a new account because I wanted loot from all factions. Did the wailing prison intro quest and went straight into the NM at level 3. No CP. I followed groups around, spammed shields, dodge rolled aoes, revived players, got some damage in and looted bosses to get complete gear sets. Right now my character is level 13, decked out in Briarheart and Plague Doctor gear from the event and has all the house wings unlocked. It’s really not so much a question of gear and level but more knowing what to do. Did I die a lot? Absolutely. But dying is not failure. It’s only a failure if the skirmish or boss resets because a whole group wiped.

There’s also no such thing as “dungeon pots”.

I think the key words there are "I followed groups around." You did not play the Night Market, you just picked up the leftovers. Which is what I meant when I said, "Maybe they can survive if they follow a large group and pretend to participate."

Play what ever way makes you feel good. I care not.
Denial does not make the issue go away. It just doesn't.

Which issue are we talking about here?

This one?

Was pretty clearly advertised as group content from the get-go. And as a player who does both solo and group play, this event has been outstanding. In my circles, now that people are understanding it better, there is less complaining and more interest in doing the content.

Deserrick wrote: »

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Right. Some of the quotes in the first post advertise that it is possible to solo, with optional grouping to make it easier. This is different from how group activities like trials are advertised: "Trials are 12-player challenges for organized PvE group play, wherein groups are pitted against the most aggressive types of encounters Tamriel has to offer. If your group is successful in completing a Trial, you can earn unique rewards."

Some good portion of NM is soloable, but it's quite a grey area, it will really depend on what you're trying to do and your skill/build as a player, grouping does make everything melt though, so I don't see much of a point in soloing it unless I'm trying to do a quick daily or to challenge myself.

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I'll gladly group with you and go through the night market with you.

You were doubling down on either being wrong, or straight up lying. Either one of those is on you, instead of owning up to it, you leave with a "Nevermind, people would rather be snarky" when I gave an example of ZoS saying it was a group zone from the start.

Now did ZoS advertise it enough as being a group event zone?
Nope.

Without a giant splash on each ad saying "GROUP ZONE" most consumers will miss it, many of these yearly return players don't keep up with things like the roadmap, development cycle, etc behind the scenes.
They see an advert that says "New night market zone!" and come back to the game to check it out.

But that's how the average consumer is about anything. Hard to blame that entirely on ZoS.
But I've seen a bunch of ads that don't say it's a group zone so.